Mellow Bakers: Hamelman Bread

Hamelman Bread FIRST ROUND March 2010 - January 2012 => June 2010 Breads => First Quarter => #08 Beer Bread w/ Roasted Barley => Topic started by: Anne Marie on June 08, 2010, 03:39:00 PM

Title: Roasted barley
Post by: Anne Marie on June 08, 2010, 03:39:00 PM
A trip to one of the brew stores in San Antonio produce a half pound of carafa II malt.  Apparently, it is barley that has already been dehusked and roasted.  It may produce a dark bread as it is fairly dark.  There is another store that has more varieties of dehusked barley, but it is on the other side of town.  I am intrigued by this bread.

Here is a list of some malted grains.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/wiki/index.php/Malts_Chart (http://www.homebrewtalk.com/wiki/index.php/Malts_Chart)

Anne Marie
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: ostwestwind on June 09, 2010, 08:58:19 AM
In Germany you can only buy malted barley in its husk. So I sprout my barley, dry and roast it.

Drying is about 2 - 4 hours at 80 ┬░C
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: Anet on June 09, 2010, 10:45:56 AM
"Ostwestwind" -- can you give me more details on how you dry+roast the barley? Does it turn brown, crumbly dry or intact sprout? And then you grind it?
Thanks. 
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: lello on June 09, 2010, 01:28:53 PM
Well, I live in Munich and I have found husked barely at BASIC. It says speltzfrei. You can also find it on ebay if you look for Nack-Gerste. At least if my German is not completely wrong, which might also be, sice I just know a few words.
I am going to sprout it in the next days.

Lello
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: lello on June 10, 2010, 02:23:26 AM
Looking on the we I found this interesting video on how to make malted barley
How to make malted barley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HauYECAEQ8I#ws)

The author starts from unhusked barley. I will try it with my husked barley.

By the way this is what I bought
http://www.davert.de/cms/front_content.php?idcatart=310&ean=4019339138182 (http://www.davert.de/cms/front_content.php?idcatart=310&ean=4019339138182)

I will let you know my results as soon as I can have time to bake.

Lello
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: yemu on June 10, 2010, 02:59:32 AM
A trip to one of the brew stores in San Antonio produce a half pound of carafa II malt. 

to be 100% correct: it's carafa special II which is dehusked, carafa II is still in its husk
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: Anne Marie on June 10, 2010, 05:58:00 AM
I can just tell you what the beer brewing man wrote on the bag.  I see no signs of husks but this is new territory for me.
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: ostwestwind on June 10, 2010, 06:54:24 AM
I asked the beer brewing man, malted barley is always with husks for beer brewing, you can buy Nacktgerste (barley without husk)  everywhere, but this is not malted, you have to do it on your own. So my barley is sprouting the first day. Keep fingers crossed
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: ostwestwind on June 10, 2010, 06:56:23 AM


The author starts from unhusked barley. I will try it with my husked barley.

By the way this is what I bought
http://www.davert.de/cms/front_content.php?idcatart=310&ean=4019339138182 (http://www.davert.de/cms/front_content.php?idcatart=310&ean=4019339138182)

That's what I'll do with Sprie├čkorngerste from Demeter
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: yemu on June 10, 2010, 07:10:47 AM
I asked the beer brewing man, malted barley is always with husks for beer brewing, you can buy Nacktgerste (barley without husk)  everywhere, but this is not malted, you have to do it on your own. So my barley is sprouting the first day. Keep fingers crossed

not 100% true ;-) you can buy weyermann's (one of the biggest malt producers) carafa special (http://www.weyermann.de/eng/produkte.asp?idkat=19&umenue=yes&idmenue=37&sprache=2 (http://www.weyermann.de/eng/produkte.asp?idkat=19&umenue=yes&idmenue=37&sprache=2)) which is dehusked and completely different from "normal" husked carafa (dehusked is more mellow, and because it doesn't have husks, it has lower bitterness and less tannins).
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: ostwestwind on June 10, 2010, 08:32:17 AM
Ok, but where I live, they brew Pilsen style beers ;-)
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: Steve on June 10, 2010, 10:05:13 AM
Ummmm.  I love Pilsener-style beer!
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: yemu on June 10, 2010, 11:40:01 AM
Ok, but where I live, they brew Pilsen style beers ;-)

I also like Pilsner style beer, but I prefer Czech than German ;-)
Carafa Special may be used in another of my favourites beer types (there are plenty of them :) that is Schwartzbier.
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: ostwestwind on June 10, 2010, 12:07:53 PM
I know Schwarzbier, I  but this is not the delicacy of Schleswig-Holstein ;-)
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: lello on June 10, 2010, 03:50:31 PM
Hi ostwestwind, yesterday I put the Nacktgerste in the some water, and left is moist overnight, thif afternoon most of the seed we already sprouting...cross fingers.
What is the difference between Nackt and Spriess? I understand that these are two different levels or "removing" the external part. "Nack" should be spelzenfrei (without husk) so what is the Spriesskorngerste?

I hope we don't turn into mellow brewers :)
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: ostwestwind on June 11, 2010, 05:51:54 AM
There is no difference for the barley: no husk! It means the same in different words
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: lello on June 11, 2010, 06:21:25 AM
Thanks! so I will go on with my barley. I hope to bake the bread next week.
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: Anet on June 12, 2010, 08:30:59 AM
"lello" - that is a great youtube video you found for the barley! Much more involved than I would have thought. I had started to sprout some grains but realized I was not doing it right. Originally I had gotten some hulled barley grain at the Whole Foods store. Today though, I am going to the beer brewing store. 
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: ap269 on June 14, 2010, 11:50:43 AM
I asked the beer brewing man, malted barley is always with husks for beer brewing, you can buy Nacktgerste (barley without husk)  everywhere, but this is not malted, you have to do it on your own. So my barley is sprouting the first day. Keep fingers crossed

not 100% true ;-) you can buy weyermann's (one of the biggest malt producers) carafa special (http://www.weyermann.de/eng/produkte.asp?idkat=19&umenue=yes&idmenue=37&sprache=2 (http://www.weyermann.de/eng/produkte.asp?idkat=19&umenue=yes&idmenue=37&sprache=2)) which is dehusked and completely different from "normal" husked carafa (dehusked is more mellow, and because it doesn't have husks, it has lower bitterness and less tannins).

Yemu, where can I buy carafa II special in Germany? The website doesn't have an online shop, does it?
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: ap269 on June 14, 2010, 12:24:51 PM
OMG, I sure hope this beer bread is going to be fantastic. I dislike beer, but the hubby loves it... I just ordered 2 lb of dehusked roasted and malted barley for 7 Euros ($8,50) - it better be good so I can use it all up. The shipment fees are killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: Lien on June 15, 2010, 08:44:22 AM
I can't get hold of barley that can be sprouted. I bought a bag but it turned out it was... well don't know how to call it... partly "scraped" on the outside. I tried to germinate it, but it wouldn't, I guess the germ was damaged. In the end I roasted it and ground it up like it was. Too bad.
I wouldn't want to spend so much on this by ordering it in from somewhere for just a bread or two to be honest.
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: ap269 on June 15, 2010, 09:45:32 AM
Well, 2 lb are going to last for A LOT of breads, so the next couple of months the hubby will be fed beer bread  rofl
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: Steve on June 15, 2010, 11:38:26 AM
...and he will be smiling between every bite!
Title: Re: Roasted barley
Post by: Steve on August 08, 2010, 02:35:16 PM
It is now August 8th, and I still have not done this bread - yet.  I do have the barley set aside and sprouting, so it will not be long now.

Let me tell you, that cabinet where I am keeping it smells wonderful!